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1. Great Post!!!

2. Totally agree with your review.

3. Takes some guts to indirectly criticize an advertiser on your site.

4. Obviously not everyone will see it your way, and like it or not, there are going to be cookie cutter websites that become successful just because of marketing and relationships with popular websites. Not everyone appreciates a truly unique WP theme.

5. Not sure why these guys got famous, the redesigns for shoemoney and johnchow suck. I wouldn’t give them $10 to redesign my site.

hi man, nice post!

ubd took advantage of the john chow flock effect.. the wannabes are buying hoping they will get rich with a similar blog design..

SP, I’m quite shocked at this post and I didn’t expect it from you to be honest… Sure, everyone has a right to an opinion and most people read blogs for the subjectivity inherent in the posts - but just purely criticising others’ work in the spirit of being honest is not the best thing either…

In the end, you’re the Small Potato and you say what you’d like on your blog - that still doesn’t mean that I won’t be hurt what I say about me and my work…

@ Pete - Guts to criticize an advertiser? I think it’s impulsive… I guess future advertisers needs to ask themselves when SP will decide to rip them a new one?

@ Andrew - how have I sold out? The premium themes are not entirely unique, but it also costs one tenth of the cost for a custom design. It’s targetted at a whole different market and I’m just trying to make my designs more accessible to more people. So again, how have I sold out?

SP always love to use controversy to drive traffic to his blog and everyone knows traffic = $$$

Small Potato,

Interesting posting. Some thoughts . . . .

First, I think it’s interesting what UBD’s marketing of exclusive themes and their success so far says about the state of the custom design blog market as a whole. If Template Monster ( TM ), as a major presence in the blog template market, is now facing a serious competitive threat from a relatively new entrant, it suggests that the blog design market itself is not fully mature, and has not grown to provide all the needs of its various consumers, some of which are now being captured in part by UBD.

So what does UBD’s success tell me about consumers?

It suggests that while TM does service the needs of a good number of people needing custom blog templates, there is still a healthy consumer demand for more players in the arena and more consumer choice.

One your criticisms of UBD’s designs is that their exclusive designs borrow from each other and are not unique. I just took a look at the three examples you referenced, and yes, while I do see similar structural elements, I also see unique applications of design to those structures that result in a unique effect. For example, if I were to look at skyline of New York City skyscrapers, I would also observe common structural elements (the buildings are tall, have windows, and tend to be largely square or rectangular), but I also observe unique applications of design that allow me to easily distinguish them from each other. I never confuse the Empire State Building with the Chrysler building.

I’m no blog design expert (I couldn’t even venture a guess as to what “PHP” stand for), but I do know when I like something. In the case of Adriaan Pienaar’s designs, (which for purposes of full disclosure, I’ve bought myself and use on my blogs), I really like his application of creative design. I just began blogging this year, and I researched the blog template market and was not impressed or very happy with the range of off-the shelf choices (including TM). I saw some of Adriaan’s early worked and was immediately drawn to it because for me, it was fresh and unlike other designs I had observed available for download on the standard wordpreess.org website and elsewhere.

I think the market UBW taps into, is the market of consumers like me, for whom unique is something that catches our eye, and something which stands out from the sea of applications of the 1-,2-,3- column themes we see repeated on other template sites. For $79, I think consumers understand the level of uniqueness and exclusivity their dollars purchase (less than a full-on, hand-sculpted site, and more than a free theme).

Consumers ultimately determine what is unique, exclusive and worth the value of their dollars. The success of UBD suggests a niche of consumer needs that had been previously unserved are now being met. I myself welcome, more entrants in the market. I welcome more applications of creative design. After all, it’s consumers (like me) who ultimately win in the end.

Small Potato,

I’ve worked closely with UBD and their staff and they are “top rate” to say the least. Their response rate was unheard of on the net, and I’ve had designers work on over 2 dozen of my websites in the past 8 years of being online.

UBD prices are more than fair and turnaround is awesome!

So I don’t know your beef, but you need to find it with someone else.

You WILL NEVER get business putting down other peoples work dude! Who are you to judge. If I am correct, it says you are an “AMATUER DESIGNER”, so what gives you the right to judge? I can’t stand people who put down other people in hope to gain. Guess what happens in the end? You LOSE DUDE!

OK, this is a trip! SP addresses the elephant in the room, and he gets trashed for it???

Almost every WP designer I’ve talked to has the same attitude about UBD … they are anything but unique. Every “custom” design is similar … so similar that I could probably point out a UBD theme just from looking at the header.

Not that it’s a bad thing though … UBD has a great model … pump out as many customs for a set price as possible. The plus side for them is more business, and the plus size for the client is a relatively low price for a custom theme (in a market where a good custom theme can run from 1,000-3,000 depending on the designer (Chris Pearson for instance).

But the fact that SP criticized the nature of their business in an honest way is refreshing. He just said publically what a bunch of designers are saying privately. Personally, I’m relived I’m not the only person who has been severely disappointed with UBD’s designs.

As far as Adii goes, I think a deep breath and some “chilling” is in order.

Ask yourself this question … would you pay $80 for one of the “unique” themes on UBD? I wouldn’t. I can find similar themes for FREE on the theme viewer or here at wpdesigner.com.

Anyway, I have to say a freakin’ huge THANK YOU to SP for doing us all a favor an telling it like it is. This doesn’t mean he, or any of us, don’t like UBD or Adii, it just means they have some problems that should be addressed.

It’s nothing personal.

Well looks like adii’s ad is now gone. Intresting development. I am going to assume adii requested a partial refund or just requested the ad be removed… One person (SP, an amateur web designer) doesn’t like your designs and so you pack up and move??? Maybe if enough people complain about your finance’s picture on your blog you will remove it? Please remove it, it’s the last thing people want to see when looking for a designer. I suppose you attach the picture with every proposal you send out?

Not everyone can, or should drive a Ferrari. There have to be an awful lot of Camry’s in the world to make us recognize the beauty of an amazing, high-power machine, yes?

WOW SP - dear dear…you do know how to cause a stir!

Right, like some others I’ll deal with this in points.

1. You’re entitled to write what you wish on your own blog. A reader should never forget that.

2. As much as you consider yourself amateur, and your graphic abilities may not be the best, your coding is of a very high standard. You know what you’re doing, and you understand proper use of structure and tags, etc. So people should be aware of that before they hang off your self given ‘amateur’ status.

3. I don’t believe you are jealous of Nate of UBD. I don’t think you need to be either.

4. I consider Nate a friend, so initially I feel a little for him. He’s just trying to make a living, and a respected designer tears apart his business and its work. However, I think Nate should look at this in a mature way, and implement changes in order to gain the confidence of those who feel the same as you (there seems to be quite a number).

5. I see where you’re coming from. But lets be honest SP, most of the blogosphere are copy-cats anyway. If they had a choice of a unique, and classy theme like Darren Rowse got done, or a John Chow copy, we both know which they’d go for.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and a lot of you will share SP’s opinion about our work, since you obviously share certain interests and viewpoints (therefor you read WPDesigner).

So what to do now that a bunch of the small potatoes doesn’t like our work? I guess it’s simple - we’ll just keep our heads held high, put shoulder to the wheel and continue to work damn hard as we have done in the past. People will have personal preferences and therefor no design will ever be perfect and accepted by 100% of any given audience / readership.

I must state again - I wasn’t worried about SP’s comments about my work - instead I wasn’t happy in the way he decided to air his views. Friends look out for each other - not put each other under the public spotlight called scrutiny…

BUT, this has happened now and I’ll be playing it by ear. I’d like anyone to feel free to post their views about the UBD themes (specific to individual designs) either here, on my blog or on your own blogs. Conversations about things like this is ultimately a good thing (when you don’t get shafted and blindsided into it).

@ Pete - yes I requested that my ad gets pulled, simply because I felt that there was clearly a conflict of interest in my placing my ad on a blog where I am criticized… I did not request a full or partial refund of the price I paid for the design - instead I just wanted to have the ad pulled.

@ David - thanks for backing me up. SP is probably just agitated at the fact that he did not expect your business deal and that’s why he is criticized you for backing me up… Which makes me think…

Isn’t this review from SP a knee-jerk from the fact that he decided NOT to do premium themes, but now he has seen that designers like myself and Brian Gardner are successfully using premium themes as a viable business model?

Also, Adii, I don’t think SP’s criticized your business model or indeed your success - I guess it’s got more to do with his opinion that your templates, design- and otherwise, don’t excel and don’t overshadow about a couple of thousands free templates being offered elsewhere in any way.
I’ve criticized some of SP’s templates and I don’t think he’s better than you - however, he doesn’t charge people 80 bucks for a theme

They’re just making money. They are being successful doing so. Everything on the internet is not charity or free.

They are unique in the sense that a group that is willing to pay will have the theme. By no means do they say that you will be the only one with the theme.

I think its an unfair assesment. Sounds like it is more out of jealousy than anything else to me.

adii, you wrote “I must state again - I wasn’t worried about SP’s comments about my work - instead I wasn’t happy in the way he decided to air his views.”

So you mean you just don’t like that he made his comments public? Is he supposed to use gentler words? Just wondering, how should he air out his views? Isn’t that kinda what a blog is about?

BTW, adii your designs aren’t like the worst ones out there, but in my opinion, are not worth $79.

I think the wordpress community is a bit spoiled by the vast amount of really outstanding free templates that maybe we expect too much from a $80 template.

Right or wrong UBD is just trying to monetize their huge traffic from being featured on popular blogs. And so far they half-assed it.

Speaking of conspiracy theories… funny how they pretty much only list chow and shoemoney as their clients (both of them are friends) and you got to love this quote from their website:

“With clients such as John Chow and Shoemoney, Unique Blog Designs has already established itself as a premier blog design firm.”

Ok, I am only suggesting this because I CAN NOT BELIEVE how crappy the redesigns for those two sites are. It’s like a 11 year old did them. Even UBD’s site is pretty crappy, notice how they use a lot of images for basic text? that’s so 5 years ago!

I think I’ve mentioned this before, SP, but your insanely blunt honesty totally sets you apart from the pack. This is a good thing. Keep it up.

For what it’s worth. This is why one would raise prices above Template Monster. It makes you look like you’re an expert. Whether or not UBD’s work is better than Template Monster’s I don’t think they can be criticized for charging less.

I do agree with you about Revolution and Showcase setting the standard for what constitutes a premium theme.

And I also can see Adii taking this personally so maybe send him some chocolates or something. No joke. I presume you have his mailing details from the ad sponsorship.

[…] want to get into all the details, but, basically SP give his — to put it mildly — honest opinion of Nate Whitehill’s business, Unique Blog […]

Mmmm, competition seems to be hotting up in here. Just visited adii’s website and he seems to be quite offended by this post. There are many different aspects of this issue to look at. While i completely agree with you SP on the facts about the themes, the payment, etc I think it may be better to tone it down a bit in terms of the way the criticism is convey. Maybe then adii would not be so disgruntled. I think the word “Suck” might have pushed it over the edge.

I just posted a comment on adii’s site this morning about his response to your post which I think is an overreaction. you guys have slightly different focusses and i do agree that what ur offering SP is much more valuble to the wider wordpress & blogging community and much more unique. I’ve benefitted greatly from visiting your site regularly but not so much from adii’s though his is geared more towards sellign himself & his services in a more hard selling type of manner.

I think it is important to remember to always maintain a level of humility in these issues though as arrogance is something which will eventually take something good and tarnish it. This advice goes for myself, for SP, for adii and anyone else out there achieving any kind of success and attention. Humans are always influenced by their circumstances & environment but keeping things cool and on the humble side will ultimately win you more friends & less enemies.

My 2 cents worth.

The way I see it, theres a big opportunity for wordpress theme developers on the web. Its all about supply and demand. The people buying low quality themes are uninformed and really are clueless to their cheaper alternatives. Whatever keeps them happy & puts money into greedy peoples pockets.

[…] Revolution”). Small Potato offered a balanced review of Brian’s theme, but then in his most recent post, says that the themes designed by Adii, to be sold through Unique Blog Design, “suck” […]

You’re telling me the design for this blog is world class? It doesn’t even have it’s own logo. Just a regular typeface, and the 2-column theme looks rather generic to me.

Anyone care to disagree?

@Don Ray: this site is completely opposite of “amateurish.” It has a simple, professional look to it that you have failed to achieve on your own site.

@SP: I’ve got another project coming up and would love for you to review it with the same brutality as this review. I will post it in the forums when I’m done.

@Don: I totally disagree. Granted, it’s not the finest of designs (which is expected as Small declared he sucks at designing, which is very odd considering his blog is titled and based around designing themes), but it’s a clean and simple theme that probably has features that Small is proud of perhaps?

Designs come and go remember? Perhaps you may get rid of the painful cyan colour on your site?

The post is about Smalls review on UBD and it’s response/impact.

[…] next move was fellow designer Small Potato, who in a review of  Unique Blog Designs (which sells Adii’s theme), called the outfit a “cookie-cutter” operation that […]

[…] UniqueBlogDesigns.com Review: The Elephant in the Room - Small Potato isn’t a fan of UBD’s work. An interesting debate has sprung up over this. I’m a fan of SP designs and the themes from Unique Blog Designs and Adii so I’ll sit on the fence on this one!! (Check out Armen Thomassian’s view on the subject). […]

After reading a couple of UBD-friendly comments, I took another look at John’s (”Moneymaker’s”) and Mike’s (”Golfer’s”) sites in case I missed something in terms of design (I didn’t even dare to take a look at the source - I bet the xhtml/css parts look “interesting” as well).

Well, apparently not: I still think they SUCK BIG TIME.
Their main characteristics seem to be

a) inconsistent colours, padding, margins etc
b) about a zillion icons in about a zillion various dimensions, colours and styles (John)
c) menu header texts created as images (wow, haven’t seen these on serious pages for ages)
d) a distinctive “so 90’s, so old-fashioned” feel
d) an overall sense of pages being created by a “designer” who’d fail each and every exam at any designer’s school in the world

In addition to SP’s slightly over emotional yet contextually agreeable review, I’d really love to read a designer’s (in proper sense of a world; self-taught wordpress “premium” designers not included) review of these pages …

I have to admit. I got suckered into buying the your revolution is a joke. I loved the other revolution news theme but $299 USD for it was a bit too high. Atleast with this I got two page templates with the structure I wanted for $79.

Now looking back, would I have bought it again? Probably not, but would I fork over $299 for news revolution, I would only buy that if I could see the coding behind it. Because I’m not too happy with the your revolution is a joke.

Guys, I agree with everyone else, there’s a huge untapped market. Words like Unique and premium are being thrown around. Some theme designers really need to step it up. If you are not going to provide a visual design thats different from the rest, then atleast make sure the coding is proper. I am in touch with Nate and hope he can help clean up some of the coding issues.

Kanwal,
Revolution is only $79 and Revolution News is $99. And I can tell you from experience that the code is fantastic. Brian knows what he’s doing and offers great support after the sale.

I haven’t seen the code under the hood of Your Revolution.

The only issue I had with Revolution News was that for $99 I had to keep the links in the footer. I dont mind but would rather brand it as my own. It was a quick decision. Rash or not, I’ll find out in a week or so if I made the right decision. Unless of course, Small Potato comes out with a lighter jello wala mala theme.

Adii, remove the stick from thy ass. A review +/- = a review none the less, and you are a part of the UBD team. Take your criticism with a grain of salt.

One thing I noticed that was good in this review is that you actually have a “recognizable style”. Get off your high horse.

Wow, just found this site and came upon this.

One thing I have learned is there is a difference between one’s opinion about design/coding quality and a personal attack. I feel that this border’s on both.

First, if you don’t like someone’s design style, or what they are doing, then don’t visit their site, or buy from them.

Secondly, this is Small Potatoes blog, so he does reserve the right to discuss what ever he pleases, no matter what the content. Maybe he could have chosen a few words better.

Third, trashing someone’s reputation can have long lasting effects upon your own reputation. You can have a civil and peaceful opinion and discussion without trashing another person or their site or business.

Just my opinion, feel free not to trash me… :O

[…] of the themers My friend and contributor to MyBlogIt.net Small Potato lashed out at fellow WordPress theme designer adii. Was this just a publicity stunt? I thank so! If so it […]

S.P … i like the cut of your jib. Opinions are like a$$holes, we all have one …. an that`s yours, more power to you for telling it like it is.

The ONLY reason i responded to this post was Mikes comments re `Oops! You “accidentally” deleted it. Nice! You’re a class act. I hope more people find your blog and read these comments. But…”oops”…I forgot. You can delete these as quick as we type them so why are we wasting our valuable time on this little blog.` ….

If that isn`t THE most childish response i`ve read i`ll go he!

SP was more than willing for you to repost your comment so as not to sensor the comments with an unfair baise.

I think you`re just looking for a fight. I suggest you stick to the golf Mike.

no doubt UBD is terrible and without John Chow, the site is nothing.

Well one this is sure - You either sell ‘premium’ themes and make some cash, or dont and drive a Camry like Potato boy.

[…] is accurate and is illustrated very clearly in the recent open “feud” between Adii and Small Potato. Adii being the designer who has recently partnered with the very successful Nate Whitehill. Nate […]

Interesting that the owner of this service uses a “free” public theme he modified, designed by someone else… I would think he would want to showcase the uniqueness of the designs starting with his own site as a sample. Guess not!

[…] approach to blogging - a trait that has seen him embroiled in a trifle controversy over the growing market of premium Wordpress themes and the monetary greed and poor design […]

Been waiting for these pricks to email the design wtf, getting on 5 days now, and it said “within 24hrs”, got some lazy ass email saying they were at “blog land”. Tbh I don’t care if they are going DisneyLand, we paid for the blog template, and no one has sent it (sent? should be auto dl). Don’t feel like waiting any longer, so we cancel it.

Crap!

What’s wrong with the premium designs at http://www.uniqueblogdesigns.com/exclusive-themes/? Block mag seems to be the best one.

You said alignment and spacing issues. Just exactly what is wrong with the alignment? Could you elaborate WP?

Btw, both of you are pretty good designers in my book.

You don’t have to be the best to make money, just have good business sense and to be a first mover. UBD is doing just that. I don’t think UBD cares too much about being the next N-Design Studio and pushing the limits of design. Rather their focus is giving a product that is unique enough and making money.

Unfortunately if the common user can’t see those flaws, then you should tell us.

It looks like some of the alignment on the text and spacing in the blocks are not all the same.

SP is right. Maybe he shouldn’t have used names of the people he was criting. adii should really remove his images on his blog, even his business “look”. He seems like he’s done well… but dude proffesional??? adii browse over to coda.co.za and take some tips.
Theres a difference between a theme and a “unique theme”. Your not only exploiting wordpress which is open source, but also designers as your taking away work from them. I can understand if you wordpress guys coded the php for designers.

I have checked all relevant parties blogs and designs. I need a service where my unique designs catering to the client must be converted into wordpress. Clients who are generally uniformed would probably go for your cheap “unique” designs because they don’t know any better. Your killing the industry and under valuing designers “friend”

Who the F*%K are friends, this is the internet nerd. Friend is a guy who u chill with, business is what this is.

Its in the same line as spec work - should be just has hated and intolerable.

I found this via adii’s site funny enough, was checking sa blog awards. He was telling everyone how steamed he is at you.

Ciao! Ciao! Friends

Mr Patato keep up the good work, dont include names, and always be positive after being negative (I learnt that from top gear xtra)

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